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go get it and give it to us what we can

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see that's all i got to say yeah i'm

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kind of hogging the mic

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no absolutely you've made a really good

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point and john ramirez incredibly good

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i always manage and you managed as well

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to um confirm he was who he said he was

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as well i mean you didn't even need to

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do that you just needed to actually talk

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to him and know the level of knowledge

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that he had to know he was who he was i

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certain people's analytical skills at

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it just boggles the mind there are some

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really really bad eggs in this community

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and it's time they take a really really

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long good look at themselves because

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they're really muddying the waters and

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they're creating a toxic atmosphere and

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it's time to call them out it's time to

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call them out now i think this you know

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this stuff around gary reed um it's

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going to vindicate what what lou has

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there's going to be a lot more of this

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do you think that has any relation to

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the brain working off of a kind of

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anything about the brain and and that

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potentially a quantum process

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uh you know sky's the limit uh when you

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start talking about about that um you

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know you're talking about about things

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now that that don't necessarily abide by

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newtonian laws of physics um you know

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they abide by quantum physics uh the

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laws of quantum physics and and there a

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lot of things are are strange and

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bizarre but but are very real and it's

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possible sure it's that's that's uh

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there's certainly some some speculation

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within within uh the community uh that i

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to get rolling yeah unfortunately dude

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no that's okay it was a great time man i

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loved having you on um

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for december 17th at nuap secrecy day

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vinnie and i decided we want you to uh

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come aboard and be a co-host for at

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least an hour or two dude

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all right no so take that with you have

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a great day brother all right man take

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it easy bye guys

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peace

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how even though that's happened

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um there's enough

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skepticism or doubt per se

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to kind of keep us in the same spot

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isn't that

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it's a little odd isn't it

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it isn't yes it is it is and it depends

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on your world view where are you coming

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my personal experiences with the

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phenomenon and i should preface this by

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saying in the government

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everything the metallic craft the light

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orbs the beings the paranormal beings

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the pentagon book so it's all the

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phenomena so as the phenomenon

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unfortunately no no you could put that

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him seriously which he

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forgivable unforgivable you know

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country and donate their life

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government and want to fight for it in

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limit my freedom as a scientist to talk

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couldn't get rid of like poltergeist

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trauma from abduction encounters

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sessions with experiencers

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established that's what i think is going

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understanding of what's going on and the

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pentagon have went a long long way

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of addressing

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so can you somewhat vouch for the

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authenticity of it as far as you can

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tell of course from reading it it all

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place i looked at the reporting

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requirements the way it was constructed

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authentic i i would totally totally

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a high degree of validation on that

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myself decided to do a project one

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on top of that the person who procured

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about this individual other than he's

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very connected he was a former military

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piloting them and if it's intelligent or

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what it is right yeah you know that's a

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people say that before it only takes one

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you know what i mean and imagine it is

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quite breathtaking to think about

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yeah could you imagine being the only

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like experiencers and you know have had

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abductions and stuff like that like you

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those things and science probably will

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say no matter what if someone's had a

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traumatic experience and that's affected

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their life that's a form of ptsd that

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other people won't relate to unless

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a while but it's gonna have to go down

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they're they're look they always look at

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sleep paralysis and stuff but it's not

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taken as serious as ufos but at one

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point it probably will be and for all

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those people that are experiencing

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things on a high level they need they

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deserve that and they deserve to have

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that space where people are actually

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looking at to say like yes this is an et

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encounter or no this is something that's

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god it could be interdimensional it

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could be right it could be it could be

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this could be actually happening in your

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brain like those people deserve that so

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it's an answer rather than sitting

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through something that's like extremely

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dramatic you know sometimes i think

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about all the different things that have

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to had to happen

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for me to be right here with you two you

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know yeah it's weird

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the story

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may be different for us all but it all

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plays out the same because like we are

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all here now especially me and you sean

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a lot newer than james for example i

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there's mirrors that really mirror what

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we've been not been through but like how

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we got here but then i've not had the

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sighting side of things you have so

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there's yeah it's it's crazy you're

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making me feel old

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nah man

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i'm the oldest anyways i'm the oldest

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yeah you're like what 45 or something

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really you're 43. i was i am fully free

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i always call vinnie uh tony stark

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yeah you know what somebody somebody

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because i guess probably because of this

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shirt too

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uh in in my little zondo thing called me

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uh said hey is that captain america

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only stark we got captain america

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and yes we have one for you too you you

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could be doctor strange

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yeah there we go it's in the background

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you got the background and the colors

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kind of give me that doctor strange vibe

286
00:10:43,110 --> 00:10:40,880
avengers man i like it

287
00:10:44,550 --> 00:10:43,120
push you off it throws you off the horse

288
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you go emotional what was that dream

289
00:10:48,949 --> 00:10:46,959
about and it haunts you and it makes you

290
00:10:50,389 --> 00:10:48,959
start down the path that's what it's

291
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doing and it may have been you that it's

292
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causing a dream you set it up because

293
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people will they'll complain about

294
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whatever situation you know they hate

295
00:10:59,430 --> 00:10:57,360
the world and all this stuff and i say

296
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just remember if reincarnation is a fact

297
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then you and i both chose to be here at

298
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this time in this place in the middle of

299
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whatever mess we're complaining about

300
00:11:09,509 --> 00:11:07,839
and maybe we came at this time in this

301
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place in the middle of this mess for a

302
00:11:12,389 --> 00:11:11,200
particular reason so that's the whole

303
00:11:14,470 --> 00:11:12,399
thing we have to always take

304
00:11:17,190 --> 00:11:14,480
responsibility for what's happening that

305
00:11:19,509 --> 00:11:17,200
may have been you triggering yourself to

306
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get on the path to start with this dream

307
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to say what is going on here like and

308
00:11:25,750 --> 00:11:23,839
and you start and you do a radio show

309
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and a male woman plan that you and i had

310
00:11:28,710 --> 00:11:27,600
before we were born we had a plan okay

311
00:11:30,150 --> 00:11:28,720
you're going to have a dream i'm going

312
00:11:31,590 --> 00:11:30,160
to have a ufo setting we're going to

313
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have a radio show we're going to meet

314
00:11:36,710 --> 00:11:35,110
because people want to believe that

315
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random thing they want to believe well

316
00:11:41,350 --> 00:11:39,519
the dream is coming true two years later

317
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and then i see these things around the

318
00:11:46,310 --> 00:11:43,680
fruition of that dream two years ago

319
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there's not a louder sign to me that

320
00:11:50,069 --> 00:11:48,000
uh hello

321
00:11:52,550 --> 00:11:50,079
um you know yeah like that's supposed to

322
00:11:55,509 --> 00:11:53,990
that was like my first experience you

323
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probably know that my first experience i

324
00:11:59,030 --> 00:11:57,279
had i had no intention of seeing ufo i

325
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had no interest in whatsoever the only

326
00:12:02,550 --> 00:12:00,720
reason i went out there was because this

327
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town was having these stuff to correct

328
00:12:07,190 --> 00:12:05,279
the perception it's time to adjust

329
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public perception about the phenomenon

330
00:12:12,230 --> 00:12:09,680
because i think people have been fed

331
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a disinformation line for so long you

332
00:12:17,430 --> 00:12:15,200
know i'm sure that there are people in

333
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the u.s air force in particular and also

334
00:12:22,150 --> 00:12:20,399
in your cia in fact i know there are who

335
00:12:24,230 --> 00:12:22,160
don't want this story out they're trying

336
00:12:25,829 --> 00:12:24,240
to control the narrative look i actually

337
00:12:27,430 --> 00:12:25,839
think they're doing it for what they

338
00:12:28,470 --> 00:12:27,440
perceive to be

339
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genuine

340
00:12:33,269 --> 00:12:30,000
public interest reasons i think they're

341
00:12:36,150 --> 00:12:33,279
worried that now is not a good time for

342
00:12:37,990 --> 00:12:36,160
this whole story for the full exposition

343
00:12:39,990 --> 00:12:38,000
of what the united states government

344
00:12:42,150 --> 00:12:40,000
actually and

345
00:12:45,030 --> 00:12:42,160
it's funny because i noticed my friend

346
00:12:47,509 --> 00:12:45,040
leslie kane has said that she thinks

347
00:12:48,949 --> 00:12:47,519
it's very likely that the united states

348
00:12:50,550 --> 00:12:48,959
has recovered

349
00:12:53,590 --> 00:12:50,560
et craft

350
00:12:56,470 --> 00:12:53,600
um other people i've spoken to in your

351
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national security infrastructure have

352
00:13:00,230 --> 00:12:58,320
confirmed the same thing to me on a

353
00:13:01,750 --> 00:13:00,240
background basis

354
00:13:03,829 --> 00:13:01,760
but i think what people are wrestling

355
00:13:05,509 --> 00:13:03,839
with is whether this is the right

356
00:13:06,949 --> 00:13:05,519
there's never going to be a good time oh

357
00:13:09,509 --> 00:13:06,959
my god you took the words right out of

358
00:13:11,670 --> 00:13:09,519
my head it's like there's there's always

359
00:13:13,590 --> 00:13:11,680
going to be something yeah and i mean i

360
00:13:16,150 --> 00:13:13,600
i think also nothing would bring us

361
00:13:17,430 --> 00:13:16,160
together more as a planet

362
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and make

363
00:13:22,310 --> 00:13:19,519
national enmities more ridiculous and

364
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absurd than the notion the realization

365
00:13:26,629 --> 00:13:24,959
if that's the case if that's the case

366
00:13:28,310 --> 00:13:26,639
that we are not alone hearings and by

367
00:13:29,670 --> 00:13:28,320
the way this is the first interview i've

368
00:13:30,949 --> 00:13:29,680
ever done

369
00:13:34,310 --> 00:13:30,959
where the

370
00:13:37,190 --> 00:13:34,320
host was completely mobile

371
00:13:38,550 --> 00:13:37,200
and getting the hearing on the move

372
00:13:40,949 --> 00:13:38,560
right

373
00:13:43,990 --> 00:13:40,959
this is the first okay i think you were

374
00:13:46,310 --> 00:13:44,000
in three different rooms there

375
00:13:49,189 --> 00:13:46,320
okay but let's buy the routers it turns

376
00:13:52,069 --> 00:13:49,199
out we have a huge storm

377
00:13:54,870 --> 00:13:52,079
folks which is why we can do this

378
00:13:57,430 --> 00:13:54,880
it looks like a pretty good thing

379
00:14:00,629 --> 00:13:57,440
oh [\h__\h] oh don't don't destroy your

380
00:14:05,430 --> 00:14:03,030
okay if if sean gets struck by lightning

381
00:14:07,509 --> 00:14:05,440
this will be a podcast first

382
00:14:10,230 --> 00:14:07,519
all right we'll go down in the history

383
00:14:16,790 --> 00:14:11,910
well now that max is gone we can have

384
00:14:25,590 --> 00:14:20,230
do actually have some sort of news don't

385
00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:30,470
uap news

386
00:14:34,629 --> 00:14:32,710
i like that not bad

387
00:14:36,790 --> 00:14:34,639
no i really like that

388
00:14:41,590 --> 00:14:36,800
we have uh nasa

389
00:14:44,949 --> 00:14:41,600
um being briefed uh by the uaptf bird

390
00:14:47,430 --> 00:14:44,959
john greenwald and um a foia

391
00:14:49,509 --> 00:14:47,440
that he got some information back on now

392
00:14:50,790 --> 00:14:49,519
that's pretty interesting especially if

393
00:14:53,350 --> 00:14:50,800
you consider

394
00:14:55,430 --> 00:14:53,360
uh bill nelson and his recent comments

395
00:14:57,990 --> 00:14:55,440
talking about it so

396
00:14:59,110 --> 00:14:58,000
yeah well i occasionally get something

397
00:15:00,230 --> 00:14:59,120
right

398
00:15:02,310 --> 00:15:00,240
um

399
00:15:04,949 --> 00:15:02,320
essentially

400
00:15:06,550 --> 00:15:04,959
my contention is and i've had it

401
00:15:09,430 --> 00:15:06,560
reinforced

402
00:15:10,710 --> 00:15:09,440
i had some inside report that i'm on on

403
00:15:13,189 --> 00:15:10,720
the money

404
00:15:16,069 --> 00:15:13,199
the the the reason the two to stars

405
00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:16,079
academy was created and launched and

406
00:15:19,350 --> 00:15:17,360
went to the new york times of the

407
00:15:21,110 --> 00:15:19,360
articles and just got this ball rolling

408
00:15:22,069 --> 00:15:21,120
in a way that we've never done before

409
00:15:23,269 --> 00:15:22,079
because

410
00:15:25,590 --> 00:15:23,279
they had a

411
00:15:27,189 --> 00:15:25,600
they had grab they had to gravitas and

412
00:15:29,350 --> 00:15:27,199
and credentials

413
00:15:30,710 --> 00:15:29,360
and they'd obviously been working for

414
00:15:33,269 --> 00:15:30,720
the government for years and now

415
00:15:35,030 --> 00:15:33,279
suddenly they're supporting this issue

416
00:15:36,550 --> 00:15:35,040
and what have you that was a big deal

417
00:15:37,670 --> 00:15:36,560
yeah so

418
00:15:40,550 --> 00:15:37,680
uh

419
00:15:42,389 --> 00:15:40,560
it was clear to me that the agenda

420
00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:42,399
ultimately was to get congressional

421
00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:43,920
hearings that's why they launched this

422
00:15:48,949 --> 00:15:46,720
possibly could in that documentary but

423
00:15:50,790 --> 00:15:48,959
at the same time i had self-imposed

424
00:15:52,829 --> 00:15:50,800
rules on me

425
00:15:55,749 --> 00:15:52,839
that didn't allow me to cross certain

426
00:15:57,350 --> 00:15:55,759
frontiers um and actually the the the

427
00:15:58,150 --> 00:15:57,360
strange thing is

428
00:16:00,790 --> 00:15:58,160
um

429
00:16:03,350 --> 00:16:00,800
now it can be told is that channel four

430
00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:03,360
here put a lot of pressure on me to make

431
00:16:06,949 --> 00:16:05,680
that documentary about

432
00:16:09,269 --> 00:16:06,959
um

433
00:16:10,790 --> 00:16:09,279
about terrestrial about terrestrial

434
00:16:13,390 --> 00:16:10,800
explanations

435
00:16:41,540 --> 00:16:13,400
you know we were

436
00:16:41,550 --> 00:17:11,350
[Music]

437
00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:13,029
it might be that some other country has

438
00:17:16,390 --> 00:17:14,880
to come out some other country that

439
00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:16,400
really it doesn't matter whether they're

440
00:17:20,470 --> 00:17:18,480
first or not then maybe you know a

441
00:17:22,870 --> 00:17:20,480
little bit more like i think of uh

442
00:17:25,189 --> 00:17:22,880
granada in that whole united nations

443
00:17:26,789 --> 00:17:25,199
thing and that didn't go

444
00:17:28,549 --> 00:17:26,799
it looked like

445
00:17:29,990 --> 00:17:28,559
but it didn't didn't but that's my what

446
00:17:32,230 --> 00:17:30,000
it might need some like a more

447
00:17:34,230 --> 00:17:32,240
intermediate country you know like peru

448
00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:34,240
or somewhere in africa or somewhere else

449
00:17:38,630 --> 00:17:36,960
we should come up you know well yeah

450
00:17:40,150 --> 00:17:38,640
it might need some a country like that

451
00:17:42,150 --> 00:17:40,160
which is a bit more respected on the

452
00:17:44,470 --> 00:17:42,160
world stage but is not like one of the

453
00:17:48,070 --> 00:17:44,480
big power blocks he said that it had a

454
00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:48,080
loot uh kind of a tight-fitting uniform

455
00:17:54,150 --> 00:17:51,760
um he felt like that it had a mask on he

456
00:17:55,830 --> 00:17:54,160
drew a sketch of it and it looks like a

457
00:17:57,190 --> 00:17:55,840
typical gray

458
00:17:59,110 --> 00:17:57,200
um

459
00:18:03,669 --> 00:17:59,120
and so

460
00:18:05,669 --> 00:18:03,679
in 1995 i believe it was he came forward

461
00:18:08,549 --> 00:18:05,679
and did a full interview for the

462
00:18:10,390 --> 00:18:08,559
ufologists that were in brazil

463
00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:10,400
and

464
00:18:17,110 --> 00:18:13,280
i think it was six months three years

465
00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:17,120
six months later he killed himself

466
00:18:19,909 --> 00:18:19,120
and um

467
00:18:27,669 --> 00:18:19,919
he

468
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:27,679
a bunch of superstitious farmers

469
00:18:31,990 --> 00:18:29,760
until they got in there and realized

470
00:18:34,630 --> 00:18:32,000
this is really going on

471
00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:34,640
the doctor was a woman and i can't even

472
00:18:39,909 --> 00:18:36,720
say her name because it's like i can't

473
00:18:41,590 --> 00:18:39,919
even pronounce it but she was told by

474
00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:41,600
the military

475
00:18:47,430 --> 00:18:45,280
to tell the people that there's no ufos

476
00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:47,440
that this this is something else that's

477
00:18:52,789 --> 00:18:50,320
happening and she refused

478
00:18:54,230 --> 00:18:52,799
and she said i'm not gonna do that these

479
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:54,240
people are telling me what they're

480
00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:56,640
seeing and i'm believing them

481
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:00,080
so she testified years later

482
00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:03,120
i'm watching a presentation by hal put

483
00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:04,400
off

484
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:07,200
and i sent you both the slides

485
00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:10,960
and there's the slide showing that atip

486
00:19:15,669 --> 00:19:13,679
looked into this case

487
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:15,679
wow

488
00:19:21,029 --> 00:19:18,080
um

489
00:19:22,150 --> 00:19:21,039
what slide is that one oh historical

490
00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:22,160
cases

491
00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:24,400
yes okay

492
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:26,400
wow

493
00:19:29,990 --> 00:19:28,000
that is

494
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:30,000
pretty crazy

495
00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:32,880
right so a thousand pages of documents

496
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:36,160
logs sketches and maps 500 photographs

497
00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:39,039
15 hours

498
00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:40,720
please be careful

499
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:42,960
for the love of god don't

500
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:44,640
you know

501
00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:46,320
be mindful there's a lot of sharks in

502
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:47,440
the water

503
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:49,919
and you know i i don't mind being beat

504
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:52,000
up but there's there's there's there's

505
00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:53,360
people out there

506
00:19:57,270 --> 00:19:54,960
that do not have your best interest at

507
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:57,280
heart and they will take you for a ride

508
00:20:00,630 --> 00:19:58,720
and they will

509
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:00,640
they will they are they are professional

510
00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:03,600
con people and uh

511
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:05,039
it you know

512
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:07,440
it's a shame it breaks my heart because

513
00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:09,120
ultimately we should all be on the same

514
00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:11,039
team uh we should all be working for

515
00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:12,240
this cause

516
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:15,120
so my my my

517
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:17,280
i guess my advice for ufo twitter would

518
00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:18,000
be

519
00:20:21,909 --> 00:20:19,520
you know just

520
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:21,919
please be careful think for yourself

521
00:20:25,750 --> 00:20:23,840
don't let anybody think for you for the

522
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:25,760
love of god don't do that you're you

523
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:28,159
know your mind is too precious to just

524
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:30,559
hand over the reins to to some shmo

525
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:32,000
that's that's you know trying to make a

526
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:34,799
buck please please please don't do that

527
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:36,960
and at the end of the day if you do

528
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:38,080
um

529
00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:39,120
you know

530
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:42,880
i i'm sorry i'm i'm sorry that that that

531
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:44,400
you got suckered into something like

532
00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:45,760
that um

533
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:48,320
you know i i think i think most people

534
00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:50,720
are pretty wise to those type of antics

535
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:52,559
yeah again i don't like to say people's

536
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:54,159
names because i don't even want to give

537
00:21:03,669 --> 00:20:54,960
them

538
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:03,679
is the world gonna look like you know if

539
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:05,200
we get some sort of confirmation of

540
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:08,000
another intelligent life and the reason

541
00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:09,919
that i think about it so much is because

542
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,880
i think

543
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:12,480
other people

544
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:15,600
that envision so many different things

545
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:17,450
you know because nobody knows

546
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:19,440
[Music]

547
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:22,480
what do you think is going to look like

548
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:25,840
you know what if you had asked me this

549
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:28,080
before march of last year and it's not

550
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:30,400
because of the podcast but for because i

551
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:31,440
covered

552
00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:33,120
i would have said you know they'll be

553
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:34,480
this that and the next thing will happen

554
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:35,520
okay but

555
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:37,360
we're living through and we have had a

556
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:39,039
global pandemic

557
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:41,520
and the world's just for most all

558
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:43,039
intents and purposes going on you've

559
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:44,320
still got the shop

560
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:46,559
in a global pandemic you still

561
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:48,480
have been able to go to your local deli

562
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:51,760
or restaurant at times cinemas are back

563
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:54,240
open the world carries on in its own way

564
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:56,480
and i think it probably shows

565
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:58,320
and i i used to find it funnier last

566
00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:59,919
year and this year we have the memes of

567
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,760
next stop it's the aliens

568
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:03,520
and that's probably a little bit truer

569
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:06,320
than we probably realized that i think

570
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,240
people are just

571
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:10,240
accustomed now to

572
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,200
stuff happens and

573
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:15,600
it'll just be something we we go on with

574
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:17,280
and acclimatize to and

575
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:18,880
and i think the covert stuff for me has

576
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:20,799
shown that the world will just carry on

577
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:22,960
and continue yeah and this will just be

578
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:26,080
a part of it other guys like andreas

579
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:29,679
from ufo twitter we started uh he's a

580
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:31,280
great writer he kind of has a background

581
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:34,240
in writing and he started up a blog and

582
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,400
along with some other guys and they kind

583
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:38,320
of forced me to write when i didn't even

584
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,799
feel comfortable doing it and um

585
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:42,000
just because we were the ones on twitter

586
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,200
there wasn't even that many people on

587
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:45,200
twitter talking about this and we were

588
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,640
digging we were googling everything we

589
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:48,960
were contacting all these people and we

590
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:50,320
realized that we could break stories at

591
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,880
least to the ufo community yeah and it

592
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:54,480
kind of just snowballed from there but

593
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:57,200
um it was because of andreas and another

594
00:23:01,990 --> 00:22:59,840
guy named keith jason christian

595
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:02,000
other people i'm forgetting and they we

596
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:03,840
started a website at the time

597
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:06,480
uh called uap info and then it dissolved

598
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:09,280
and i just had my own after that yeah

599
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,159
so

600
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:12,480
is it safe to say you are one of the

601
00:23:18,780 --> 00:23:15,360
godfathers of ufo twitter

602
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:20,830
[Music]

603
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:24,080
guess catch up with the news you know

604
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:26,960
yeah so hey chris how's it going

605
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,679
so yeah that no that's that's for sure

606
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:31,440
oh i think maybe he just put your

607
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:33,039
youtube channel in there

608
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:34,880
i would have to click on it to check but

609
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,360
i would guess derek's a good guy hey

610
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:39,840
thanks derek if it is if not whatever it

611
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:42,320
is yeah cool click on it watch it leave

612
00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:48,710
okay

613
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:51,110
did you talk about your first guest

614
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:53,039
uh we have well i've announced it today

615
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:54,000
but i'll

616
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:56,640
ask you yeah right now um

617
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:57,840
so i don't know how many people are

618
00:24:02,710 --> 00:23:59,919
actually familiar with the sosterberg

619
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:02,720
case from holland 1979 it's a big

620
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:05,679
triangle case from a military base

621
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:07,440
so there were there were 12 military

622
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:08,720
witnesses

623
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:11,520
and it was a nuclear base um so what

624
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:12,960
we're doing is we're interviewing the

625
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:15,039
commander who was on the base he wasn't

626
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,440
a witness yeah but he obviously everyone

627
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:19,679
reported it to him but we've also now

628
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:22,480
got one of the 12 military witnesses

629
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:24,640
he's coming on wow

630
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:27,120
gelato is good do you think aliens like

631
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:29,279
gelato you know what if they did

632
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:31,760
automatically my best friend

633
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:34,400
automatically automatically like

634
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,080
that's it what if it ate it with his

635
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:38,159
mouth open

636
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:39,600
same

637
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:42,080
no okay just checking

638
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,799
if you had an alien kid what would you

639
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:46,720
name it

640
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:48,960
that's a bizarre question you got that

641
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:51,520
right well i'll let you go first come on

642
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,240
sean if you had a zagler

643
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:56,240
i just came up with that but it's good

644
00:25:03,830 --> 00:24:58,240
they would get bullied confirm the

645
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:05,750
so him talking about the wilson david's

646
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:08,640
documents is all of like 90 seconds

647
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:10,720
for me asking him about it to us moving

648
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:13,039
on is 90 seconds he didn't

649
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:15,120
he didn't say

650
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:18,320
no comment or yes or no he just said

651
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:20,159
i'm not talking about it

652
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:23,520
like i'm not gonna talk about that um

653
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:26,559
but no so we released a bonus episode so

654
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:29,120
eric davis shows up in episode seven of

655
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:31,200
the basement office and then we released

656
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:33,200
a bonus episode where it's just like me

657
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,880
and him talking about random stuff you

658
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,480
know he talks about how a tip never

659
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:38,480
ended how he's still part of atip how

660
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:39,600
he's still

661
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:41,760
working for the pentagon as a contractor

662
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,919
with ufos um

663
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,080
and then there's even more

664
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:48,480
that hasn't been released yet

665
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,480
i mean i'll just

666
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,640
give you an exclusive man if you want to

667
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,960
know what he said so um

668
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:56,640
in the 13 minutes that haven't been

669
00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:00,000
released eric i asked eric davis

670
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:02,320
all of this leads to an ultimate truth

671
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:04,480
you know all of it leads somewhere to

672
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:05,600
some kind of

673
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:08,320
defined truth what is your opinion of

674
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:11,279
what that is and eric davis says he

675
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:14,159
thinks they're aliens like without any

676
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:15,919
hesitation

677
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:18,240
astrophysicists said aliens not like

678
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:20,799
enter anything or

679
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,000
aliens

680
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:24,720
so eric davis without a doubt

681
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:26,960
an astrophysicist rocket scientist

682
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:29,279
current contractor for the u.s

683
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:31,200
government says i believe they are

684
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:32,960
aliens

685
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:34,640
and wow um

686
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:37,919
he says uh his boss has a different

687
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:39,120
theory

688
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:41,360
and i i think he was referring to how

689
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:43,760
put off like i think he was referring to

690
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:45,520
yeah that was his boss yeah

691
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:48,320
you know eric says things like

692
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:50,480
that it could be aliens hiding in the

693
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:52,960
shadow biome which

694
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:55,520
is goes along with what lou said about

695
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:57,440
sea monsters like things in front of

696
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,440
your eyes that you can't perceive that

697
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:01,919
you can't see and he he opens it up that

698
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:04,640
like they could be alien

699
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:07,039
uh in a literal sense or a

700
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:08,720
interdimensional sense meaning

701
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:10,240
extraterrestrial but also

702
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:11,919
interdimensional

703
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:14,240
right i don't think there's like a this

704
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:15,919
is a legitimate experience if you don't

705
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:17,679
have this then your experience was

706
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:18,880
something else

707
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:21,679
i don't i don't buy that in at all i

708
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,679
think they're individual experiences and

709
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:25,919
you take from it what you can you learn

710
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:28,480
from it what you can and i just because

711
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:30,480
someone had a bad experience i don't say

712
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:32,159
that that's not a genuine experience

713
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:35,120
that's their experience right yeah how

714
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:37,520
could you right yeah that'd be discount

715
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:38,399
again

716
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:42,310
have you

717
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:44,480
i'd go back to like when hopefully you

718
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:47,279
don't mind talking about this stuff um

719
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:49,360
but going back to like when you were a

720
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:50,250
kid and

721
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:52,240
[Music]

722
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:53,440
you

723
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,960
were like taken by this woman that

724
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:56,799
wasn't your mother into the house and

725
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:58,799
were doing getting like examinations and

726
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:59,760
everything

727
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:00,960
did they

728
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:06,159
anything to you at all other than it's

729
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:08,240
going to be okay

730
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:10,240
they were humans i perceive them as

731
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:11,360
humans

732
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,679
yeah and as i said before

733
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:19,919
i placed them time wise when i learned

734
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:22,799
about the different eras of

735
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:25,120
history that this was like the victorian

736
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:26,559
era

737
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:28,720
that's right and i'm working with that i

738
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:32,399
think i know why that might be

739
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:33,840
and i'll get back to that because that's

740
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:37,039
a fascinating story too um but no they

741
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:38,960
just reassured me that everything was

742
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:40,960
fine as they were examining me i had no

743
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:44,720
fear really i was just curious um and

744
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:47,120
that it would occur more than once

745
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:48,880
sometime first floor sometimes second

746
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:51,200
floor now getting back to where i'm

747
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:53,039
trying to connect the dots of why it was

748
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:54,880
victorian

749
00:29:03,190 --> 00:28:57,039
i've had something

750
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:03,200
known as qhht it's a type of regression

751
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:05,840
founded by dolores cannon

752
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:08,320
it stands for quantum healing hypnosis

753
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:09,520
technique

754
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:12,000
and i had a practitioner in charlotte

755
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,679
north carolina

756
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:15,120
working with me

757
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:17,279
on a qhht

758
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:18,720
regression

759
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,720
tapes recently

760
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:24,640
of my regression

761
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:27,200
i did describe a past life in the

762
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:33,029
where um i was married to a woman i

763
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:34,240
remember

764
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:37,840
a scene that was like a picnic scene of

765
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:40,320
i can remember the yellow flowers and

766
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:41,919
trees and the winds blowing through it

767
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:43,760
and i was married to this woman

768
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:46,480
i was in a village somewhere in i would

769
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,080
think england

770
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:50,399
based on my memories of you know the

771
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,159
signs and whatnot and it was very

772
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:54,960
definitely victorian i was a printer

773
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:57,039
back when printer was like these little

774
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,360
flat plates that you inked right and

775
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:01,200
just press and press

776
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:03,440
so i ran a printing press like that on

777
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,600
the ground floor of the shop and we

778
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:07,679
lived on the second floor

779
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:11,600
and i lost her she died of uh

780
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:14,000
some kind of lung ailment

781
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:14,799
which

782
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:16,880
it was probably tuberculosis or

783
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:18,880
something because that was one of the

784
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,360
most prevalent diseases of the time

785
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:23,520
but again this was a place where they

786
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:26,159
had a lot of like dust and debris from

787
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:28,159
paper from inks

788
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:30,880
and she was affected by this and she

789
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:32,320
passed away

790
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:35,679
and then later as i went through this

791
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:38,640
regression experience i remember myself

792
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:40,000
dying

793
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:42,080
i was in my 70s

794
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:44,799
and so the practitioner

795
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:46,240
had me

796
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,919
just experienced that so what's

797
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:49,679
happening now

798
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:51,279
at the moment of your death and i

799
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:53,760
describe rising out of my body and she

800
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:54,799
said

801
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:57,039
look back at yourself and describe to me

802
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:58,399
what you see

803
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:01,440
and it was like these victorian nurses

804
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:03,360
and a victorian doctor

805
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:05,519
because it was the victorian setting

806
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:06,399
um

807
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:09,039
and so i put that together recently

808
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:13,120
because when i had this qhht experience

809
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:14,799
it was recorded it was like an hour and

810
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:17,039
a half or two hours of recording

811
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:19,039
and i just this i never listened to it

812
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:20,960
until recently i listened to it with my

813
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:21,760
wife

814
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:23,840
and so that came out so okay there you

815
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:24,960
go

816
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:26,799
i often get people say like well you

817
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:28,799
know a lot of people that are really

818
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:30,240
right at the cutting edge of what's

819
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:32,240
going on

820
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:33,760
is there an answer i said well i'm going

821
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:35,440
to tell you something they're still

822
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:37,120
searching

823
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:38,399
i don't know any of them that are going

824
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:39,600
i'm going to retire now because i

825
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:41,919
figured it out they keep looking they

826
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:44,320
keep trying to get a grasp on it and

827
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,000
then every time you talk to them there's

828
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:48,240
another layer of thought idea you know

829
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,240
first it was extraterrestrials then it

830
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,480
was ultra terrestrials and you know

831
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,240
there's all these

832
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,559
possibilities opening up as we

833
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:58,559
understand quantum entanglement and

834
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:01,360
quantum physics you know so when i met

835
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,679
ingo and i met cleve baxter and all of

836
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:05,039
these interesting people in the vermont

837
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,720
viewing community you really begin to

838
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:08,559
understand how quantum entanglement

839
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:09,679
works

840
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:11,840
and how you can affect something at a

841
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:13,840
distance that you should not be able to

842
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:15,519
you know and uri geller is another one

843
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:16,960
he could

844
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:20,559
engel had was able to manipulate a

845
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:23,120
machine buried underground in colorado a

846
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,600
thousand miles away he said tell me when

847
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:27,120
you want me to do it and they would do

848
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:29,279
it and then the machine would register

849
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:30,480
his

850
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:33,279
manipulation of it you know so

851
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,720
it's a target

852
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:36,559
you know and i think as we understand

853
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:38,480
quantum entanglement and quantum physics

854
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:40,880
more there's even more possibilities of

855
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:43,039
what this could be they have they're

856
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,880
working with the people at cnn so

857
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:46,559
they'll get notes and feedback and

858
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:49,120
guidance from them in terms of what cnn

859
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:51,039
actually wants so

860
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:52,559
i think that keeps it pretty fresh and

861
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:55,120
there's so many people in the

862
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:56,720
from breakthrough films we're working on

863
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:58,320
this i mean they have many editors and

864
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:01,200
many producers and archivists and all

865
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,120
kinds of people working on it so there's

866
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:05,360
a lot of eyes on it which is really good

867
00:33:08,830 --> 00:33:06,640
yeah yeah

868
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:08,840
that's great to hear that's amazing i

869
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:10,720
mean it's a really great series i have

870
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:11,600
to say

871
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:13,760
do you know when it's nice

872
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:15,679
do you know when it's showing by chance

873
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:17,600
um it's supposed to show this summer

874
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,760
supposed to start in july

875
00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:21,360
cool yeah

876
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:22,840
great

877
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:24,640
um i actually do a streaming version of

878
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:26,320
it that's all

879
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:27,279
yes

880
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:29,279
and i'm sure that there's i'm sure that

881
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,159
there's

882
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:32,640
a since it's in post since it's an edit

883
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:35,200
right now there's only there's only a

884
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:37,840
limited amount that you that you can say

885
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,080
for sure will be in the show

886
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:42,159
and i know that um

887
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:45,039
of course since it's coming in july um

888
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:47,360
we don't want to give you don't probably

889
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:48,880
want to give too many spoilers about

890
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,120
what's what's going to be going into it

891
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:53,440
um uh so

892
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:54,799
feel free to

893
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,559
you know but

894
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:59,039
do you think were there times you know

895
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,120
you were saying that your team the team

896
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:03,360
from surviving death largely came on to

897
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:04,799
this new show

898
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:05,679
and

899
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:08,480
i'm wondering a uh

900
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,399
were there were there times in shooting

901
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,240
a new program where

902
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:14,240
these people that you've worked with

903
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:16,879
in dealing with consciousness and after

904
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,440
life scenarios and all this stuff where

905
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,359
they they're hearing this information

906
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:22,960
for the first time and you're getting

907
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:24,639
this like

908
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:26,800
kind of like jaw-dropped

909
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:28,879
you know

910
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,159
i think people they all have their

911
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:32,159
moments so sometimes there's even people

912
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:33,520
who weren't involved with surviving

913
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,359
death that have those moments

914
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,960
because um

915
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:38,639
yeah i mean it's really interesting when

916
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:40,800
the you know you get the the crew that

917
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,480
come in you know every time we shoot

918
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,720
there's probably 10 or 11 people

919
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,480
involved but just

920
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:48,960
lighting and sound and

921
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:50,159
everything you know all the people you

922
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:53,760
need to do a a really great professional

923
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:55,359
interview with somebody

924
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:57,119
and they all have their relate you know

925
00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:59,440
they'll they get to listen right and for

926
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,599
a lot of this is news it's new stuff for

927
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,599
some of them it's not but yeah it's

928
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:06,000
really fun to dialogue with them and see

929
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,000
how they respond to everything

930
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:10,000
um and i think yeah some of the and

931
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,320
there were some some of them were on

932
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:14,240
both shows not all you know the director

933
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:17,920
is the same person our two top our show

934
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:19,839
runners are different in this show than

935
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:22,000
they were in surviving death but some of

936
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,920
the producers are the same and they

937
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,680
they're really interested in how it all

938
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:27,359
fits together

939
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:28,320
and

940
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:29,680
they're you know some of them are really

941
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:32,000
really involved with the material i mean

942
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:33,680
one of our producers

943
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:37,040
seth keel knew bud hopkins very well and

944
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:38,160
he shot

945
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,720
he spent a lot of time just following

946
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,480
butt around with a camera and shot lots

947
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,560
of footage of bud

948
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:46,560
so he's like goes back that far with

949
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,000
this topic

950
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,480
and he really knows a lot about it and

951
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,800
then we i did i did a show with the same

952
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,800
group in 2011

953
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,480
there was a history channel special

954
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,480
based on my book called secret access i

955
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,480
don't really like the name but

956
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:02,640
um i didn't really like the show all

957
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:05,760
that well either it was okay but really

958
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:07,839
yeah um that was the first time i really

959
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:09,920
worked with this this group this

960
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:11,680
breakthrough films people but i had

961
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:14,560
known them for years before that so um

962
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,960
it's really like family at this point

963
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:18,240
you know i've known them for so long and

964
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,280
worked with them this is the third

965
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,599
project we've worked on together

966
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:23,440
and they do know a lot about these

967
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:28,079
topics by now so that is really fun um

968
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,680
any questions that you see from the chat

969
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:31,440
or anything like sean that you'd like to

970
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:33,040
ask before we get out of here tonight i

971
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:34,480
i guess my

972
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:36,560
i would just have a last question i

973
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:37,760
suppose

974
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:40,320
with the world as it is and the you know

975
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:42,800
the state of it being so uh sensitive

976
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:43,440
and

977
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,680
a lot of people not really necessarily

978
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:47,760
knowing what to expect from it

979
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:49,119
um

980
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:50,720
first uh what did

981
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:53,520
outsider our rv like what advice would

982
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:56,320
you have for people to to grasp with it

983
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:58,160
and and not allow themselves to fall

984
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:00,800
into so much fear and two

985
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:03,760
um you know how far do you go into

986
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:05,680
remote viewing those aspects of the

987
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:07,119
world

988
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,960
well that's because what have you seen

989
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:10,240
yeah

990
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:12,320
fair one um

991
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:14,400
there's a lot out there and a lot of the

992
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:16,800
uh a lot of the sources that we all see

993
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:20,480
every day in social media and beyond are

994
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:21,440
are

995
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:25,280
those

996
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:27,040
uh but you know it goes on to our

997
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,240
previous discussion it's all about

998
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:30,240
balance really trying to get an element

999
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:31,760
of balance you know don't and if you're

1000
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,520
looking at different sources please look

1001
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:35,280
far and wide don't just look in your own

1002
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:38,000
source a group of people in like an echo

1003
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:40,240
chamber try to go outside the box and

1004
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:42,000
get different points of view and that's

1005
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:43,680
what we you know within our crypto view

1006
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:45,280
and we say to people don't don't just

1007
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,200
take our information you don't don't

1008
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,200
make any financial

1009
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:51,280
decisions based on what we say

1010
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:53,119
maybe look at the information but then

1011
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:54,720
go outside the box look at some youtube

1012
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:56,960
videos go to other sources and then kind

1013
00:38:01,910 --> 00:37:59,760
of consolidate an opinion so that's the

1014
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:01,920
fear thing on the

1015
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:04,000
looking ahead we look ahead quite a lot

1016
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:05,920
we looked ahead

1017
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:07,520
before the covid thing and we were

1018
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:09,200
seeing some really strange reviewing

1019
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:10,640
data but we didn't publish a lot of it

1020
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:12,320
because we didn't know what to do with

1021
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,240
it because we were seeing

1022
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:16,320
sporting events that and you know like

1023
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:18,640
the macy's demon parade in america that

1024
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:20,880
was one of our targets two a year ahead

1025
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:21,920
and we were looking at it and we were

1026
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:24,160
none of us we were getting anything

1027
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:26,079
right well there are no people there are

1028
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:27,520
credits we don't understand what's going

1029
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:29,119
on of course oh we didn't know that

1030
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,400
everything would be cancelled because we

1031
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:33,119
didn't know cove existed right so we do

1032
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:35,040
get this kind of data

1033
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,480
but a lot of it we don't publish because

1034
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,320
there's no context we don't know what's

1035
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:42,320
happening but you know we have and you

1036
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:43,680
know i'm just being totally honest with

1037
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:46,000
you we have had quite a lot of data over

1038
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,440
a period of years

1039
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:49,280
that indicates

1040
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:51,760
uh massive climate changes

1041
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:54,800
uh massive movements of people massive

1042
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:57,280
desolation in in various parts of the

1043
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:58,960
art parts of the world now i don't know

1044
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:01,040
when that's going to come about but

1045
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:02,880
we see it and you know i think on a

1046
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:05,359
daily basis we're seeing it happen i

1047
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:07,200
mean as as i said before we came on air

1048
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:08,079
we uh

1049
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,000
we all of us we didn't get the exact day

1050
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:12,480
of the uh the invasion this month but we

1051
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:15,040
you know we we got all the events of

1052
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:16,320
what what's happening in that and i'm

1053
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:19,440
expecting i'm expecting a lot more from

1054
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:22,400
that that will be more militaristic

1055
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:24,400
before the end of the month maybe maybe

1056
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:26,079
slightly moving into the first three

1057
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:27,520
days of march

1058
00:39:41,020 --> 00:39:30,160
so we do see ahead and as i said it's

1059
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:54,250
[Music]

1060
00:39:59,359 --> 00:40:03,580
so

1061
00:40:03,590 --> 00:40:21,270
[Music]

1062
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:22,630
third of

1063
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:24,319
the show unidentified which you are

1064
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:26,480
heavily featured on uh you said that if

1065
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:28,319
people are being taken against their

1066
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:30,000
will that could be perceived as an act

1067
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:31,040
of war

1068
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:32,960
just last week in conversation with a

1069
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:34,480
co-founder of mine in the experiencer

1070
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,000
group stuart davis

1071
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:38,480
uh jim simavan a colleague of yours at

1072
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:41,119
ttsa said that he viewed his personal

1073
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,800
encounter with non-human entities in his

1074
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:45,040
own bedroom with his wife as a human

1075
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:46,400
rights violation

1076
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,400
gary nolan semivan and others have

1077
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:50,480
indicated long-standing programs close

1078
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:52,720
to governmental agencies studying the

1079
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:54,960
biology and biological effects on

1080
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:58,560
contact experiencers and abductees

1081
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:00,560
close to what you term as the sixth of

1082
00:41:05,829 --> 00:41:04,560
observable of biological effects

1083
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:05,839
in the experiencer group we have

1084
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:07,760
military experiencers in almost every

1085
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:10,000
single confidential support meeting

1086
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:12,079
uh we're very aware that non-human

1087
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:14,079
visitation has been tracked and studied

1088
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:15,920
for quite a long time with some of the

1089
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:19,359
people that um i've just mentioned it's

1090
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,280
not hearsay and it hasn't been for many

1091
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,200
years now that people like nolan and

1092
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,680
your old ttsa colleague jim simavan are

1093
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:27,599
courageously coming forward

1094
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:30,079
um is is this an opportunity for you to

1095
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,079
speak more directly to this profoundly

1096
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,800
challenging topic of of contact with

1097
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:36,400
non-human entities

1098
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:39,119
yes and no yes in the sense that that

1099
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:40,720
people now are coming out where i had to

1100
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:43,280
allude before to a six observable are

1101
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:45,280
coming out and and stating for the

1102
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:46,560
record yes that was one of the

1103
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:47,839
observables

1104
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:50,319
so it's them saying it not me um

1105
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:52,480
but there are areas of this topic i

1106
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,240
still cannot discuss

1107
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:56,640
uh again and this is going to rub people

1108
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,920
the wrong way and you know my suggestion

1109
00:42:01,750 --> 00:41:59,520
if you don't want to hear it then

1110
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:01,760
mute me for a second or two

1111
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:03,599
but i have a security clearance you know

1112
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:04,800
and by the way let me let me set

1113
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:06,400
something straight here

1114
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:07,839
when you have a security clearance not

1115
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:11,440
only are you required to to keep secrets

1116
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,119
that you have sworn to keep but you also

1117
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:15,520
can't tell a lie okay because that's an

1118
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:17,599
indicator of a psychological issue

1119
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,960
so the fact that i have a security

1120
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:21,119
clearance uh at the ts level top secret

1121
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,640
level there's something called

1122
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,960
continuous evaluation ce

1123
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:26,160
and when you have a certain level of

1124
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:27,359
security clearance you are put into that

1125
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:28,880
category and you are continuously

1126
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:30,640
monitored they're looking at your credit

1127
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:31,920
scores they're looking at your

1128
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:33,680
psychological stability looking whether

1129
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:35,839
or not uh you have any indications of

1130
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,440
deception or you're a liar and they look

1131
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:39,760
at all sorts of stuff right uh you

1132
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,200
you're you're subject to random

1133
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:43,680
polygraph examinations just like i am

1134
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:45,520
and so what's important to note is not

1135
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:48,480
only do can i not tell a secret i also

1136
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:51,680
can't tell a lie um i get i will i will

1137
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,160
lose my uh lose my security clearance in

1138
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,560
about a second flat if i do

1139
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:58,480
um so i have to be very very very

1140
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:00,880
careful on one hand i can't lie but at

1141
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:02,000
the other hand i also can't say

1142
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:04,079
everything i know and so uh it's a bit

1143
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:06,079
of a balancing act um i think when

1144
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:08,240
you're asking about how i feel about you

1145
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:09,520
know jay let me ask you a personal

1146
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,960
question if i made you have any children

1147
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,480
you have to tell me how many you have or

1148
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:13,760
if you're a boy or girl but you have any

1149
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,640
children no i don't no okay do you have

1150
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:18,880
a significant other in your life i sure

1151
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:19,760
do

1152
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:22,400
okay so let's say this significant other

1153
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,880
uh was taken against their free will

1154
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:26,400
somewhere right

1155
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:28,400
in essence kidnapped right

1156
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:30,960
and while they were kidnapped um someone

1157
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,200
or something decides to

1158
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:35,680
to to touch them in a way without their

1159
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:37,280
their consent or their their permission

1160
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:38,079
okay

1161
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:39,760
so now you have kidnapping now you also

1162
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:42,800
have assault okay uh and then you have

1163
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:45,760
someone potentially causing long-term

1164
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:48,319
uh physiological distress

1165
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:51,280
to your significant other long-term so

1166
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:55,599
now they suffer from a medically um some

1167
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:57,839
sort of long-term consequence right

1168
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:58,720
um

1169
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:00,880
you know and ultimately ultimately at

1170
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,560
some point god forbid it leads to their

1171
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:04,160
death well you know in our country

1172
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:06,079
that's that's homicide you know there's

1173
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,800
people that get you know

1174
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,800
assaulted and two years later they die

1175
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:12,480
because they've been in a coma and then

1176
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:14,960
they charge a person with murder um

1177
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,280
it's very serious um it is a human

1178
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:18,960
rights violation it

1179
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:21,040
you know for instance it's interesting

1180
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,720
to

1181
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:24,480
consider

1182
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,119
this is one of the types of work

1183
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,040
with experiencers whether one-on-one

1184
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,119
groups and i think it's just an endeavor

1185
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:33,760
that a lot of experiences are taken up

1186
00:44:40,190 --> 00:44:39,440
of late which is trying to consider

1187
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:40,200
what

1188
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:42,319
non-anthropomorphic or non-human

1189
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:44,400
consciousness might be like

1190
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:46,800
and how that relationship works and i'm

1191
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:48,319
going to be specific with the dreams in

1192
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,680
a second here that's what where this

1193
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:51,440
leads actually so

1194
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:53,359
to personalize it in my

1195
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:55,520
trying to figure out why in the heck an

1196
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:57,280
eight foot tall mantis entities showed

1197
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:58,960
up in my room

1198
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:01,680
wearing a purple robe with a hog i

1199
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:04,720
couldn't even imagine it i mean it's

1200
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,520
absolutely preposterous and so i

1201
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:09,440
in going deeper and deeper year over

1202
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:10,960
year into

1203
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:13,040
investigating and interrogating this and

1204
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:15,280
then having more interaction with it

1205
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,440
one of the things that it told me is i

1206
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:19,280
tried i had put forth a question

1207
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,440
something to the effect of like how am i

1208
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:23,599
supposed to even

1209
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:25,200
have any kind of relationship with you

1210
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:27,920
how can i imagine what

1211
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,000
this consciousness of an eight-foot tall

1212
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:32,480
man identity is like and it said

1213
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:35,200
try to imagine

1214
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:36,560
your waking

1215
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:37,760
dreaming

1216
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:39,760
and deep dreamless life

1217
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:42,240
all integrated into one occurring

1218
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:43,760
simultaneously

1219
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,400
that some people also kind of attach

1220
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,480
reoccurring dreams or something to your

1221
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:50,640
subconscious and it being somewhat

1222
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,280
attached to past life perhaps

1223
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:55,200
you know and and whatever that is i

1224
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:56,880
don't know i don't know but they are

1225
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:59,200
very interesting um and to dissect them

1226
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:00,640
is sometimes is

1227
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:04,160
um the most interesting to me although

1228
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:05,119
you know

1229
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:06,319
i'm sure you'd agree you got to be

1230
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:09,920
careful not to attach to anything

1231
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:12,480
for sure without knowing but uh when did

1232
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:19,589
19.

1233
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:20,640
wow

1234
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:22,640
you know uh 43

1235
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:29,990
good answer good answer you know in the

1236
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:32,640
19 late 1970s so they were able to

1237
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:34,800
basically sell things and get on the

1238
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:36,960
road and we traveled for

1239
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:39,599
a year a little over a year around the

1240
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:42,079
country we were homeschooled my brother

1241
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:43,839
and i and

1242
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:46,800
and then we settled in a beautiful place

1243
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:49,280
called orcas island which is in the san

1244
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:51,920
juan islands up in washington state

1245
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:52,960
now

1246
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:56,880
orcas island is very rich in new age

1247
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:58,560
spiritual

1248
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:01,520
philosophical religious communities

1249
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:04,240
i really got my feel of that

1250
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:05,839
my parents joined the theosophical

1251
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:09,119
society and we ended up working

1252
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,160
at a theosophical summer camp um every

1253
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,760
summer for about three or four years and

1254
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:16,079
my father became the manager there so we

1255
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:19,440
were we were waist deep in hinduism

1256
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:22,319
buddhism theosophy clairvoyance

1257
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:23,599
meditation

1258
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:25,040
so

1259
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,480
basically by the time i was 18

1260
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:30,400
i had joined i'd gone back to high

1261
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:32,559
school because i wanted to do that and i

1262
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:34,319
just wanted to leave all that stuff

1263
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:37,119
behind me so between the years of like

1264
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:39,119
18 to 30

1265
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:40,559
i probably

1266
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:41,839
i didn't want to have anything to do

1267
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,640
with

1268
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:44,800
any of that stuff i was like i was still

1269
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:47,359
interested in ufos however deeply

1270
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:50,640
interested in ufos i just i was like new

1271
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:53,839
age enough you know not interested wow

1272
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:55,839
well what kind of uh turned you around

1273
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:58,240
was it a an experience or

1274
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:01,680
was it a buildup over time

1275
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:04,880
well interestingly um

1276
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:08,160
it was kind of an experience um

1277
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:10,160
now that i now that i kind of cast my

1278
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:11,599
mind back to

1279
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:14,400
getting back into spirituality

1280
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:17,200
and and how it sort of married

1281
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:20,240
in with my obsession with with ufos and

1282
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:21,760
the anomalous

1283
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,559
i had a

1284
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:26,319
not a missing time

1285
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:28,319
experience but a compressed time

1286
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:31,119
experience and i don't know if you know

1287
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:33,920
or your listeners know what that is um

1288
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,839
sort of the opposite of missing time

1289
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:37,440
where

1290
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:40,000
you you sort of fast forward into a new

1291
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:42,720
new time and space and

1292
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:44,559
yeah and this this was something that

1293
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:47,200
happened with my ex-husband and i we

1294
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:48,480
were

1295
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:53,040
in the 19

1296
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:56,960
late 1990s maybe 1996 actually um

1297
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:59,040
and we were driving where we were in los

1298
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:00,839
angeles and we were driving to the bay

1299
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:04,480
area and it would normally take us this

1300
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:05,599
is something that we like to do

1301
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:07,040
regularly even though we were living in

1302
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:08,400
seattle we would take a lot of road

1303
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:10,160
trips so we were driving from los

1304
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:11,599
angeles to the bay area to visit my

1305
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,119
grandparents who still lived in los

1306
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:15,200
altos hills near palo alto

1307
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:18,000
and it took us about

1308
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:19,680
what should have taken us between five

1309
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,000
and six hours took us about two and a

1310
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:24,640
half to three hours

1311
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:27,359
and we were basically talking to each

1312
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,800
other and and probably having a somewhat

1313
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:32,880
sort of spiritual inspired conversation

1314
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:34,880
because that's what we did i mean

1315
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:35,839
um

1316
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:38,319
he kind of got me back into buddhism and

1317
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:39,359
into

1318
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,960
different ways of looking at

1319
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,480
you know things he introduced me to the

1320
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:44,400
holographic universe talking out of my

1321
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:45,520
head a little bit and i was kind of like

1322
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:47,040
hey you know

1323
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:48,319
people uh

1324
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:49,920
you know people have had the ufo contact

1325
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,359
experience they have more

1326
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,760
synchronicities than joe normal like i

1327
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:55,760
was i felt confident in saying that she

1328
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:57,119
looked at me like she just rolled her

1329
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:59,520
eyes and she said anyone on a spiritual

1330
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:00,480
path

1331
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:03,760
will have more synchronicities

1332
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,800
and she looked at me like i was so

1333
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:06,400
stupid like well how would like get on

1334
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:08,640
you like get off your high horse buddy

1335
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:10,160
and and i thought for a second it's like

1336
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:11,599
well

1337
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:14,000
it made perfect sense now

1338
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:16,160
it like felt true like a full visceral

1339
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:23,270
you know i i was saying ufo contact

1340
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,559
people with ufo contact have more

1341
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:26,400
synchronicities and then she said no no

1342
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,760
anyone on a spiritual path will have

1343
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:29,119
more synchronicities and i said okay

1344
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:31,520
given that model

1345
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:35,200
ufo contact would be a spiritual path

1346
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:37,520
and i and i really took that to heart

1347
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:39,040
like it's not just

1348
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:40,720
some poor victim which there's certainly

1349
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:42,319
you could and i want to be very cautious

1350
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:43,599
to say this because i know people a lot

1351
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:44,720
of people have had really tough

1352
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:47,280
experiences as have i and i think that

1353
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:49,119
coming to terms with the experience is

1354
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:50,160
tougher

1355
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:53,040
than the experience itself in many ways

1356
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:56,720
um were you able to gather

1357
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:00,000
any idea if this sort of thing is a

1358
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,640
threat is it not a threat is it um

1359
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:06,400
and then the entities is it all the

1360
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,960
above or are they one thing

1361
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:10,800
you know um you know you're seeing

1362
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,440
dinosaurs with beaver tails have you

1363
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,280
ever seen a grey alien

1364
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:17,520
uh wolves sometimes you shoot them and

1365
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:18,960
they bleed sometimes you shoot them and

1366
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:22,160
they don't it's like how do you even

1367
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:23,760
work on something like that it seems

1368
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:25,040
impossible

1369
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:27,280
which i thank you for but yeah so threat

1370
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:29,920
or not threat one entity or multiple

1371
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:31,760
well i guess um

1372
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:33,680
the the

1373
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:36,160
the sort of the departure point for the

1374
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:38,559
osap program was

1375
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:41,200
um initially at least we we were

1376
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:43,040
mandated to

1377
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:45,760
produce a threat assessment report

1378
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:47,920
and uh one of those uh one of those

1379
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,559
reports that went in one of those 104 or

1380
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:53,040
whatever it was reports that went into

1381
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:55,440
defense intelligence agency was actually

1382
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:57,680
a threat assessment report but the

1383
00:52:01,349 --> 00:52:00,240
conclusion that we came to

1384
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:01,359
was

1385
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:09,040
a ufo agenda or a intent

1386
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:11,839
to definitively come down on the side of

1387
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:14,240
that these this phenomena represents a

1388
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:17,200
threat we did go as far to say that this

1389
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:18,640
this phenomenon

1390
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:21,440
is a threat to human health uh that's a

1391
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:25,040
very distinct category of threat because

1392
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:27,680
it certainly is does not imply a threat

1393
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:28,400
to

1394
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:30,480
national security of the united states

1395
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:33,520
it may just simply imply being in the

1396
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:35,359
wrong place at the wrong time it's just

1397
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,000
like you know somebody wandering by a

1398
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:40,800
radar installation and accidentally

1399
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:43,200
getting beamed with high intensity radio

1400
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:44,559
waves

1401
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:47,359
you know so somebody who ends up

1402
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:49,440
sort of uh being in the wrong place and

1403
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:52,720
happens to have a blue orb uh flying

1404
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:56,160
through their body uh or or getting uh

1405
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:58,640
getting a sort of a a knee-jerk

1406
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:01,040
reaction from a triangular craft that's

1407
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:02,480
hovering over their

1408
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:05,280
um their property um it there's

1409
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:07,839
insufficient evidence from what we could

1410
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:08,800
see

1411
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:11,119
to define a threat to the national

1412
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:14,480
security of the united states definitely

1413
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,079
bad for your health

1414
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:18,960
um if you're in a in the vicinity of a

1415
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,359
blue orb just run like hell in the

1416
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:23,040
opposite direction

1417
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:24,720
because it's probably not going to be

1418
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:27,680
very good for your health so um

1419
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:30,640
that's kind of the extent of of where we

1420
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,680
were uh we were and what we reported out

1421
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:36,000
to the defense intelligence agency we

1422
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:37,680
just didn't have enough data to say it

1423
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:40,480
was a threat um the second part of your

1424
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:44,079
question um is really sort of when you

1425
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:45,280
look at

1426
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:47,280
these hot spots

1427
00:53:50,750 --> 00:53:48,400
and you know

1428
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:50,760
we spent sort of between

1429
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:52,400
1996

1430
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:56,800
and 2016 that's 20 years uh our group

1431
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:58,960
spent on the property brandon fugles

1432
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:01,359
that has now spent another six years on

1433
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:03,760
the property a lot of overlapping

1434
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:06,160
testimony a lot of overlapping data and

1435
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:08,960
effects on you know electronics and all

1436
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:10,720
of that

1437
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:11,839
what we

1438
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:14,400
came up with i guess was that

1439
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:16,960
um there is a central sort of

1440
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:20,000
nuts and bolts ufo phenomenon

1441
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:22,960
that's in the in these the vicinity of

1442
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:26,000
these uh these places and overlaid on

1443
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:28,319
that there is a tremendous sort of

1444
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:31,040
paranormal disneyland of

1445
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:31,839
uh

1446
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:35,680
effects on

1447
00:54:41,940 --> 00:54:37,760
you know human perception being

1448
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:41,950
distorted and all of that

1449
00:56:28,950 --> 00:54:55,970
[Music]

1450
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:32,789
he wants to to really say that uh it's

1451
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:34,559
we are really interested that what is

1452
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:37,040
happening in the us in france because

1453
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:40,480
you you managed to to to pull off uh

1454
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:42,000
uh

1455
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:48,640
new york times articles by rafa

1456
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:51,119
boulenthal leslie keane and ellen cooper

1457
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:53,440
you you managed to

1458
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:55,599
on the planetary scale

1459
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:37,430
of course the problem is

1460
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:39,109
that

1461
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:40,559
but is

1462
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:42,799
so cons

1463
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:44,960
for france the problem is to

1464
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:48,160
access the primary sources of each cases

1465
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:51,040
because the work of the japan has to be

1466
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:53,520
legally

1467
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:58,000
accurate so it has to anonymize and

1468
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:01,599
hide the location of the cases to

1469
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:05,200
public eyes so um if you are inside the

1470
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:06,880
japan you can have access to this data

1471
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:09,119
you are validated by the states

1472
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:10,880
but there are very few scientists or

1473
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:12,000
thinkers

1474
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:13,359
four scientists

1475
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:15,440
currently that are validated to access

1476
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:16,640
this data

1477
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:18,559
and otherwise if you are just a public

1478
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,799
researcher you you don't have the name

1479
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:22,400
the identity of the witness or the

1480
00:58:25,820 --> 00:58:24,400
location of

1481
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:25,830
the sighting

1482
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:33,520
[Music]

1483
00:58:35,260 --> 00:58:34,730
[Laughter]

1484
00:58:36,350 --> 00:58:35,270
[Music]

1485
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:36,360
[Applause]

1486
00:58:46,780 --> 00:58:44,240
[Music]

1487
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:46,790
even with the western winds

1488
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:49,440
[Music]

1489
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:51,119
taking me away

1490
00:59:00,760 --> 00:58:58,150
don't need a telescope to see

1491
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:00,770
where we need to live free

1492
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:10,079
[Music]

1493
00:59:15,270 --> 00:59:12,880
and this is for all the voices

1494
00:59:21,820 --> 00:59:15,280
[Music]

1495
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:25,890
[Laughter]

1496
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:36,400
[Music]

1497
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:40,799
all roads lead to a sudden departure

1498
00:59:45,580 --> 00:59:42,480
although

1499
01:00:03,360 --> 00:59:45,590
when we bleed we go farther

1500
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:05,910
[Music]

1501
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:07,040
these are great

1502
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:10,240
they're all clear there's no

1503
01:00:12,829 --> 01:00:11,839
can you all see that one up there on the

1504
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:12,839
left

1505
01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:15,760
hand but i kept this page because it's

1506
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:17,440
it's the page it's one that gives those

1507
01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:19,359
famous quotes you know

1508
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:22,400
and this was done by colonel mccoy out

1509
01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:24,880
there at right field

1510
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:26,000
he's the one

1511
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:29,040
behind this information see that it says

1512
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:31,040
you know this as requested by george

1513
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:32,079
shuligan

1514
01:00:36,309 --> 01:00:34,559
head of uh off uh office of intelligence

1515
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:36,319
requirements

1516
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:38,480
uh that's why it says as requested by

1517
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:40,079
acting chief of staff air intelligence

1518
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:42,880
which was he was at the time proposed

1519
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:44,720
below the considered opinion by this

1520
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:46,720
command volvo we know this right but it

1521
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:49,280
was by the personnel of t2

1522
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:51,040
aircraft laboratory engineering and that

1523
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:52,799
so that's howard mccoy

1524
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:54,960
at right field so he was the one that

1525
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:56,559
gave them the information

1526
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:58,640
that george that george shuligan put

1527
01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:00,880
together to get this famous report where

1528
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:02,880
it says the philomonum the philomenon

1529
01:01:06,210 --> 01:01:04,799
reported as real

1530
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:06,220
the phenomenon

1531
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:08,559
[Laughter]

1532
01:01:13,130 --> 01:01:09,440
there

1533
01:01:15,030 --> 01:01:13,140
just supposedly sadly uh disc thing that

1534
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:15,040
[Laughter]

1535
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:17,040
so here we go here's like the second

1536
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:18,880
letter

1537
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:22,000
i'm gonna try just a different

1538
01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:25,839
better way to bring this up

1539
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:29,280
just because you know we want people to

1540
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:31,119
be able to see it well

1541
01:01:35,829 --> 01:01:33,520
yeah i think

1542
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:35,839
that didn't work

1543
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:38,799
okay so i think this might be

1544
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:41,040
a little bit better because i can zoom

1545
01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:44,480
in oh yes ah

1546
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:45,599
there we go

1547
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:47,040
cool

1548
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:49,040
see here we have a reference to an even

1549
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:50,880
obviously there's an even other filing

1550
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:53,200
systems either handwritten x

1551
01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:55,680
0 0 0.9

1552
01:02:01,029 --> 01:01:58,400
and then signed by the guy j j afer or

1553
01:02:02,309 --> 01:02:01,039
jaffer that's an obviously other filing

1554
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:02,319
system

1555
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:04,079
right then the other one we're looking

1556
01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:09,109
there's a lot of that you know i wonder

1557
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:11,119
what's in there who's doctor charles

1558
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:12,480
carroll

1559
01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:13,920
what's that

1560
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:16,720
who's dr charles carroll very famous guy

1561
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:18,480
at the time

1562
01:02:22,069 --> 01:02:19,920
we could do a little background search

1563
01:02:23,829 --> 01:02:22,079
and he's got a lot of information

1564
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:23,839
and he would have been a guy that he

1565
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:25,440
would have been the kind of guy you brag

1566
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:28,079
about with well dr carroll said you know

1567
01:02:32,549 --> 01:02:30,960
he was that kind of guy alfred

1568
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:32,559
see he's there too

1569
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:35,520
what's the significance of this document

1570
01:02:39,029 --> 01:02:36,720
okay

1571
01:02:40,630 --> 01:02:39,039
that again it's mccoy see that signed

1572
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:40,640
kernel air corps

1573
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:42,960
24 september 1947 the day they were

1574
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:45,119
finalizing the air force

1575
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:46,319
okay he's

1576
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:49,119
he's this is part of a

1577
01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:51,440
a question he keeps trying notice how

1578
01:02:55,510 --> 01:02:53,039
it's addressed to up at the top

1579
01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:55,520
lieutenant colonel garrett

1580
01:03:00,069 --> 01:02:57,280
he's the guy that was putting together

1581
01:03:02,230 --> 01:03:00,079
the first estimate of the situation that

1582
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:02,240
was what they used to create project

1583
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:03,760
sign

1584
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:06,000
colonel mccoy and garrett are both with

1585
01:03:09,349 --> 01:03:07,599
gsc

1586
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:09,359
even though they're air force

1587
01:03:13,510 --> 01:03:11,039
they're both still with the general

1588
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:13,520
staff on their airpath

1589
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:14,799
so

1590
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:16,559
they would be lazy

1591
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:18,160
that's why their assistant chief of

1592
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:20,160
staff air intelligence that's why that's

1593
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:22,799
the liaison because the air staffs lays

1594
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:24,720
together

1595
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:25,920
so

1596
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:29,680
knows how much deviates into that army

1597
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:30,720
connection

1598
01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:32,160
into the air staff that somehow we

1599
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:34,400
should be looking more into including

1600
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:36,559
52.1

1601
01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:38,880
uh i would think graham might have come

1602
01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:40,799
across some stuff

1603
01:03:44,309 --> 01:03:41,599
yeah

1604
01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:44,319
foo fighters six months but i don't owe

1605
01:03:49,029 --> 01:03:46,400
me to that but it's it's multiple times

1606
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:49,039
a year we get a public report

1607
01:03:53,109 --> 01:03:50,880
that's number one and number two

1608
01:03:55,910 --> 01:03:53,119
go look at the

1609
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:55,920
the language that demands they tell us

1610
01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:57,599
about artifacts

1611
01:04:03,510 --> 01:03:59,920
look that's the cat opener

1612
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:03,520
that opens roswell wide open

1613
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:05,839
now i don't know how far that will go or

1614
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:07,920
whether there will be a mechanism just

1615
01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:11,440
to stymie it and stifle it but this is

1616
01:04:17,029 --> 01:04:14,319
go back in history don't only look

1617
01:04:18,870 --> 01:04:17,039
forward from 2004 they've got to go give

1618
01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:18,880
us historical evidence they have about

1619
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:21,520
artifacts now given what we've seen

1620
01:04:26,549 --> 01:04:25,039
about the attempts at secrecy by any

1621
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:26,559
means necessary

1622
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:28,880
from the 1940s on

1623
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:31,680
uh i got to tell you i can't wait to

1624
01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:34,000
find out what we actually have you know

1625
01:04:37,670 --> 01:04:35,920
i'm always happy when when somebody says

1626
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:37,680
something like that because you probably

1627
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:39,280
know just as much as i do when you put

1628
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:40,799
in so much work and

1629
01:04:44,230 --> 01:04:42,880
you know a little bit of recognition

1630
01:04:46,390 --> 01:04:44,240
goes a long way

1631
01:04:48,549 --> 01:04:46,400
for your um

1632
01:04:49,510 --> 01:04:48,559
just for your attitude and determination

1633
01:04:51,029 --> 01:04:49,520
so

1634
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:51,039
i really like those pieces i like your

1635
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:53,359
piece um i like christopher's pieces and

1636
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:54,960
i like the piece that bob pliskin did as

1637
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:57,440
well on um on signatures because you

1638
01:04:59,510 --> 01:04:58,319
know there's

1639
01:05:02,870 --> 01:04:59,520
the

1640
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:02,880
phenomenally in terms of some really

1641
01:05:08,150 --> 01:05:05,680
really good analysts podcasters bloggers

1642
01:05:09,670 --> 01:05:08,160
and just contributors in general um but

1643
01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:09,680
when you come across pieces like that

1644
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:10,960
and when i came across the liberation

1645
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:12,880
times website i was like wow like i want

1646
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:14,400
to be referencing um some of these

1647
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:15,680
articles because these guys are doing

1648
01:05:20,309 --> 01:05:17,920
really deep dives and also that indian

1649
01:05:21,829 --> 01:05:20,319
ufo researcher talking about um you know

1650
01:05:24,069 --> 01:05:21,839
that the cultural differences that could

1651
01:05:26,549 --> 01:05:24,079
lead um you know to uap causing a war

1652
01:05:27,829 --> 01:05:26,559
between india and pakistan so that

1653
01:05:30,069 --> 01:05:27,839
that's i mean i've looked at the india

1654
01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:30,079
pakistan issue for for kind of quite a

1655
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:32,000
few years but it was only recently in

1656
01:05:35,829 --> 01:05:33,599
the last couple of years that i got on

1657
01:05:37,910 --> 01:05:35,839
top of the the fact that uap might cause

1658
01:05:39,190 --> 01:05:37,920
them to have a nuclear exchange and then

1659
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:39,200
with this guy deep diving on the

1660
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:41,359
cultural aspects was really fascinating

1661
01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:42,640
on top of that

1662
01:05:47,109 --> 01:05:44,240
yeah they have a very interesting

1663
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:47,119
relationship uh that's for sure and you

1664
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:48,640
know it

1665
01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:51,119
seems like a tinderbox at times

1666
01:05:55,670 --> 01:05:53,359
definitely with different influences

1667
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:55,680
coming in and out you know

1668
01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:57,680
um so that that could be dangerous for

1669
01:06:02,230 --> 01:05:59,839
sure it you know

1670
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:02,240
and that's kind of along the same lines

1671
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:05,280
why it can be dangerous for us and china

1672
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:08,240
or russia and sending off the wrong

1673
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:11,680
uh you know alarms when it may not be

1674
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:13,680
you know anything either of us have to

1675
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:14,720
do with

1676
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:16,319
uh but

1677
01:06:21,190 --> 01:06:18,480
you know go ahead sorry i'm just going

1678
01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:21,200
to say i'm just going to add in um john

1679
01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:22,480
john alexander's book colonel john

1680
01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:25,280
alexander ufos realities myths and

1681
01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:27,920
conspiracies he actually visited norad

1682
01:06:32,470 --> 01:06:30,720
um you know when he was a colonel and uh

1683
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:32,480
he sort of asked so what about the ufos

1684
01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:33,760
and the guys even oh you mean like you

1685
01:06:37,829 --> 01:06:36,480
know the the truck those tracks so they

1686
01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:37,839
were already trying to filter them out

1687
01:06:41,829 --> 01:06:39,039
because they were they didn't want to

1688
01:06:43,109 --> 01:06:41,839
have a um you know misidentification

1689
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:43,119
oh my gosh

1690
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:43,920
yeah

1691
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:47,760
just joking about that sean before um

1692
01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:49,680
you came on we were we're like how do

1693
01:06:54,789 --> 01:06:52,160
you make a classification system

1694
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:54,799
for like a whole range of beings that

1695
01:06:58,630 --> 01:06:57,440
you can't touch or even see

1696
01:07:00,309 --> 01:06:58,640
um but

1697
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:00,319
but that's kind of like what shawnee

1698
01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:03,520
spjon hargens does yeah so

1699
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:05,200
yeah exactly

1700
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:06,000
so

1701
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:07,680
there is you have to talk to a lot of

1702
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:10,160
experiencers you know or look at the

1703
01:07:13,829 --> 01:07:12,480
literature that represents you know you

1704
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:13,839
know thousands and thousands of

1705
01:07:17,829 --> 01:07:15,839
experiencers and look for the meta

1706
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:17,839
patterns

1707
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:20,160
yeah that's amazing

1708
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:22,720
yeah um can you tell us about this new

1709
01:07:26,789 --> 01:07:24,240
program that you've created at the

1710
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:26,799
california institute for human science

1711
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:29,039
yeah i'm really excited you know i've i

1712
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:32,319
was in academia for about 10 years you

1713
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:34,720
know right after i got my phd

1714
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:37,920
and i ran two masters programs dealing

1715
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:39,839
with interdisciplinary studies and

1716
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:42,240
integral theory and so i've always been

1717
01:07:47,670 --> 01:07:45,039
a big picture kind of guy a kind of meta

1718
01:07:50,549 --> 01:07:47,680
mind is you know my angle

1719
01:07:52,630 --> 01:07:50,559
where i just love getting data from so

1720
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:52,640
many different disciplines and domains

1721
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:54,480
and and then trying to figure out you

1722
01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:56,960
know how do they mash together and how

1723
01:08:01,270 --> 01:07:58,640
can they help us you know just have a

1724
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:01,280
more complete view of reality you know

1725
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:04,160
not in any kind of fully explanatory way

1726
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:05,760
but you know honoring the mystery and

1727
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:08,880
the ever receding you know horizon of

1728
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:10,559
understanding but you know just doing

1729
01:08:15,349 --> 01:08:13,280
our best to make sense of it all given

1730
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:15,359
you know what we know and what we're you

1731
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:16,799
know discovering from other people's

1732
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:18,799
encounters and explorations you know

1733
01:08:23,189 --> 01:08:20,400
across disciplines

1734
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:23,199
and then i left that to go into business

1735
01:08:26,709 --> 01:08:25,679
and do leadership consulting and

1736
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:26,719
coaching

1737
01:08:30,149 --> 01:08:28,880
and then about a year ago

1738
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:30,159
this

1739
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:32,000
graduate school approached me and said

1740
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:33,600
you know hey we'd like to have you come

1741
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:36,000
and you know be part of our you know

1742
01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:36,960
school

1743
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:39,120
and i basically said

1744
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:41,600
you know i love to do it you know i've

1745
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:43,199
missed academia

1746
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:45,359
and i've kind of been looking for a home

1747
01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:46,880
a place to land

1748
01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:48,880
but there's two things i'm passionate

1749
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:51,520
about right now in my life and i want to

1750
01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:53,520
make sure i can do both of those at this

1751
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:56,319
place right so it was kind of you know

1752
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:59,040
my ultimatum was you know i'm interested

1753
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:01,040
but only if i can

1754
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:03,440
explore exo studies

1755
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:05,600
and if i can explore you know this other

1756
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:07,920
framework i developed a meta capital

1757
01:09:12,149 --> 01:09:10,239
framework that has 10 different kinds of

1758
01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:12,159
capital you know like financial capital

1759
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:14,000
social capital human capital

1760
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:15,839
psychological capital and so forth so

1761
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:17,600
that's kind of like my business side my

1762
01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:19,440
integral business side and then the

1763
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:21,359
other piece that i'm passionate about is

1764
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:23,920
kind of an integral approach to ufos and

1765
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:26,799
anomalous experiences and realities and

1766
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:29,679
and they said yeah we're open to that so

1767
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:32,400
when i took the job last november i

1768
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:34,719
began you know going through the process

1769
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:37,600
of transforming a current program

1770
01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:40,480
that was titled comparative religion and

1771
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:41,839
philosophy

1772
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:44,960
and you know this is a master's and phd

1773
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:46,000
program

1774
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:48,080
and i basically wanted to kind of you

1775
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:50,960
know upgrade it to kind of the 21st

1776
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:53,920
century and so we ended up calling it

1777
01:09:58,709 --> 01:09:56,560
integral noetic sciences and integral

1778
01:10:01,350 --> 01:09:58,719
noetic sciences is basically taking this

1779
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:01,360
integral or meta-disciplinary approach

1780
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:02,880
um which i can say more about in a

1781
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:05,199
moment and looking at noetic science

1782
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:06,960
looking at the science of consciousness

1783
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:09,120
philosophy of science looking at

1784
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:12,080
meditation and and brain studies looking

1785
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:14,480
at you know kind of what's a

1786
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:17,520
science in a broadly construed sense

1787
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:19,679
what i would call a broad empiricism so

1788
01:10:23,070 --> 01:10:21,840
not a reductive or materialistic this is

1789
01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:23,080
very much a

1790
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:26,320
post-materialist orientation to science

1791
01:10:30,310 --> 01:10:28,320
oh and i should mention that the school

1792
01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:30,320
the california institute for human

1793
01:10:34,790 --> 01:10:32,560
science is really well known for its

1794
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:34,800
research and work in subtle energy after

1795
01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:37,360
40 years hundreds of millions of dollars

1796
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:38,960
we haven't learned anything we just know

1797
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:40,239
that they are

1798
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:43,360
those particles now my point is

1799
01:10:47,669 --> 01:10:46,239
you know without investing similar

1800
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:47,679
amounts of money in the search for

1801
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:49,920
equipment from other civilizations we

1802
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:52,320
will never know if if there are things

1803
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:55,280
flying in space so when people ask for

1804
01:10:59,590 --> 01:10:57,360
extraordinary evidence you know that's

1805
01:11:02,070 --> 01:10:59,600
impossible unless you put the funds to

1806
01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:02,080
search for the these things right and

1807
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:02,880
and

1808
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:04,800
it's a circular argument to say i don't

1809
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:07,600
have extraordinary evidence therefore

1810
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:09,360
we should not discuss this possibility

1811
01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:12,480
because in my book actually in the real

1812
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:15,679
book uh the search for um technological

1813
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:17,360
equipment in space

1814
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:19,120
is much less speculative than the search

1815
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:20,960
for dark matter because we know that we

1816
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:23,600
are doing it we know that other planets

1817
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:26,320
like the earth are very common around

1818
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:28,400
stars like the sun and we know that most

1819
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:30,159
of those stars from billions of years

1820
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:32,640
before us right before before the solar

1821
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:34,960
system so in that sense you know there

1822
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:36,640
there could have been technological

1823
01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:38,560
civilizations far more advanced than we

1824
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:41,199
are that predated us and sent equipment

1825
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:43,679
let's check and so

1826
01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:45,920
that's the goal of the galileo project

1827
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:48,400
that i established back in july this

1828
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:51,360
year thanks to donations from

1829
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:52,960
wealthy individuals

1830
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:54,400
well that's not true

1831
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:56,640
because you're still obviously very

1832
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:58,320
unique so

1833
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:59,199
um

1834
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:01,199
you know that's the cool thing about art

1835
01:12:04,709 --> 01:12:02,960
though isn't it like

1836
01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:04,719
there can be

1837
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:07,280
a saturated market of art but the thing

1838
01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:08,400
is well

1839
01:12:11,110 --> 01:12:09,920
you know commercial art maybe is

1840
01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:11,120
different but

1841
01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:13,360
um with artists like yourself

1842
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:14,960
there's always going to be a difference

1843
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:16,159
there's always going to be something

1844
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:17,600
unique to you

1845
01:12:22,390 --> 01:12:20,400
uh that stands out you know whichever i

1846
01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:22,400
know what you mean like i feel like i

1847
01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:24,640
could hear a piece of uh you know one of

1848
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:26,159
your songs and just be like yeah that's

1849
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:28,960
sean you know i told them um i call them

1850
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:31,440
horcrux you know you know in harry

1851
01:12:36,310 --> 01:12:33,600
potter how voldemort puts his soul into

1852
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:36,320
the various items like ah that really

1853
01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:38,400
resonates with people they they carry

1854
01:12:41,830 --> 01:12:39,760
little bits of people's souls and

1855
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:41,840
experience in them you know and it's

1856
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:43,920
just a way of a way of talking and

1857
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:45,280
sharing your truth with the world i

1858
01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:47,920
guess not to be pretentious but you know

1859
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:49,920
that a good artist and a good piece of

1860
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:51,360
art you always know when it kind of

1861
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:52,960
talks back at you

1862
01:12:57,669 --> 01:12:55,360
contextualizing things within within the

1863
01:13:01,110 --> 01:12:57,679
framework a little bit of of other

1864
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:01,120
cultures spirituality religion folklore

1865
01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:04,159
and that really resonated with me it and

1866
01:13:08,470 --> 01:13:05,679
i think it resonates with a lot of

1867
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:08,480
experiencers where before that before

1868
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:11,600
that text and even in in abduction along

1869
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:13,360
with people like hopkins people like

1870
01:13:19,510 --> 01:13:16,960
jacobs and others that that that

1871
01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:19,520
really we're trying to nail down like

1872
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:21,440
okay this happens and this happens and

1873
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:23,040
then this happens like you get floated

1874
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:24,880
through the wall and then this happens

1875
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:26,080
and this happens

1876
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:28,480
like he was trying to get to

1877
01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:29,520
to

1878
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:32,719
not just that kind of criminal case work

1879
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:34,640
if you will

1880
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:36,800
and trying to go beyond

1881
01:13:42,149 --> 01:13:39,120
go beyond this kind of like hearty boys

1882
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:42,159
mystery solving aspect and get back even

1883
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:44,320
further than that to

1884
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:46,640
what does this all mean in terms of

1885
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:49,600
ontologies like meaning like what is

1886
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:52,320
your view of reality and what and like

1887
01:13:56,709 --> 01:13:54,000
what you were speaking of with regard to

1888
01:13:59,669 --> 01:13:56,719
language he did a great job articulating

1889
01:14:02,149 --> 01:13:59,679
the sneaky ways that we make basic

1890
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:02,159
assumptions about reality that may not

1891
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:04,719
be true and i think that that is

1892
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:07,760
that continues to be one of the many

1893
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:09,920
great gifts that he's given what is real

1894
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:12,320
right yeah what is real

1895
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:14,719
why is um what we see in front of us

1896
01:14:19,270 --> 01:14:17,199
more real than the dreams we have for

1897
01:14:22,149 --> 01:14:19,280
instance you know or

1898
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:22,159
the experiences that we encounter what

1899
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:25,600
you know what makes something real is it

1900
01:14:30,390 --> 01:14:29,520
our language simply you know or

1901
01:14:32,229 --> 01:14:30,400
i would

1902
01:14:36,149 --> 01:14:32,239
argue that it's

1903
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:36,159
your feelings and your emotions

1904
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:38,719
personally that make things more real to

1905
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:40,560
me

1906
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:43,199
whether it's in a dream or in real life

1907
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:44,560
it's

1908
01:14:51,270 --> 01:14:47,920
gut

1909
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:51,280
you know that makes something real to me

1910
01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:53,760
so i can wake up from a dream in tears

1911
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:58,000
and that thing is real that happened

1912
01:15:04,070 --> 01:14:58,880
you know

1913
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:04,080
for instance

1914
01:15:08,229 --> 01:15:06,560
i think these subtle distinctions um

1915
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:08,239
actually have some

1916
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:09,280
uh

1917
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:12,320
you know potentially powerful impact um

1918
01:15:17,030 --> 01:15:15,360
on the larger cultural dialogue

1919
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:17,040
in as much as

1920
01:15:20,870 --> 01:15:18,800
you know there can there's a lot of

1921
01:15:21,910 --> 01:15:20,880
discussion and conflict around whether

1922
01:15:24,630 --> 01:15:21,920
or not

1923
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:24,640
these experiences happen in reality as

1924
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:27,040
we define it so the five senses you know

1925
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:28,880
newtonian cartesian

1926
01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:31,520
um you know definition of reality that

1927
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:33,280
you know most western civilizations are

1928
01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:35,840
aligned with um and going back to john

1929
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:37,840
for for just a second you know i think

1930
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:40,080
when he originally started interviewing

1931
01:15:44,630 --> 01:15:41,520
experiencers

1932
01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:44,640
um there was certainly this

1933
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:46,080
as he began to see that there was an

1934
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:47,920
actual phenomena occurring and that

1935
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:49,840
experiencers were reporting

1936
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:52,400
um accurately to the best of our ability

1937
01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:54,719
what appeared to john to be real

1938
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:56,320
experience and for us was real

1939
01:15:58,390 --> 01:15:57,600
experience

1940
01:15:59,750 --> 01:15:58,400
um

1941
01:16:01,990 --> 01:15:59,760
you know and i think abduction as you

1942
01:16:03,910 --> 01:16:02,000
point out reflects that kind of more

1943
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:03,920
nuts and bolts

1944
01:16:08,790 --> 01:16:06,480
um aspect of it and

1945
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:08,800
attempt to find the grounding

1946
01:16:13,189 --> 01:16:11,120
of these narratives in reality what he

1947
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:13,199
discovered you know the more he

1948
01:16:18,149 --> 01:16:16,000
interviewed um experiencers and got

1949
01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:18,159
deeper into the research is that it

1950
01:16:21,189 --> 01:16:19,360
became

1951
01:16:22,709 --> 01:16:21,199
you know clear that there are these

1952
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:22,719
subtle realms

1953
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:25,600
of reality that were present but that

1954
01:16:29,030 --> 01:16:28,239
didn't you know fit the the narrative of

1955
01:16:31,110 --> 01:16:29,040
our

1956
01:16:32,870 --> 01:16:31,120
you know the the mainstream paradigm you

1957
01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:32,880
know the worldview that most of us are

1958
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:35,920
are born into in in the west and so

1959
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:38,159
you know as as a personal friend of his

1960
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:39,920
as well he you know he and i had a lot

1961
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:42,560
of conversations on the side especially

1962
01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:44,320
as he got close to the end of his life

1963
01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:46,719
where we would sort of tease apart you

1964
01:16:51,990 --> 01:16:48,880
know the the subtleties in language that

1965
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:52,000
you're speaking to and of you know where

1966
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:54,159
reality exists and he

1967
01:16:57,189 --> 01:16:55,920
you know got to this place where he was

1968
01:17:00,390 --> 01:16:57,199
actually more

1969
01:17:02,630 --> 01:17:00,400
aligned with you know ideas like patrick

1970
01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:02,640
patrick harper and demonic reality where

1971
01:17:07,030 --> 01:17:04,800
this you know maybe these experiences

1972
01:17:10,229 --> 01:17:07,040
were happening you know in a realm that

1973
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:10,239
was familiar to humans historically as

1974
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:12,880
along with succubi and incubi and things

1975
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:14,640
like that so

1976
01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:16,159
there's it's you know from my

1977
01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:17,679
perspective it was very understandable

1978
01:17:21,189 --> 01:17:19,040
that he would get to that point

1979
01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:21,199
especially as someone who was a witness

1980
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:23,120
um to people who had gone through this

1981
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:25,520
you know um and not somebody who had had

1982
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:27,760
experiences firsthand

1983
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:30,880
that being said i would wrestle

1984
01:17:35,189 --> 01:17:33,040
wrestle with him in the conversation

1985
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:35,199
because even though all of that's true

1986
01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:37,199
that it feels like some of these

1987
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:39,440
experiences are are happening in some

1988
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:42,560
form of reality that is far expanded

1989
01:17:46,709 --> 01:17:44,880
from what we originally know as we're

1990
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:46,719
sitting here talking to each other again

1991
01:17:51,030 --> 01:17:48,960
the five senses reality

1992
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:51,040
there are also experiences that take

1993
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:53,280
place in this very physical

1994
01:17:57,830 --> 01:17:55,679
world and have a very physical element

1995
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:57,840
to them and have physical consequences

1996
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:58,640
and

1997
01:18:02,470 --> 01:18:00,080
make physical

1998
01:18:04,630 --> 01:18:02,480
impressions you know either in objects

1999
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:04,640
or our bodies or in our minds in this

2000
01:18:09,430 --> 01:18:05,920
world so

2001
01:18:11,510 --> 01:18:09,440
i think the experiencer community um

2002
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:11,520
growing up in a way over these past two

2003
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:14,480
or three decades and realizing that

2004
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:17,600
how we language our experiences

2005
01:18:23,110 --> 01:18:20,560
especially to mainstream audiences

2006
01:18:25,110 --> 01:18:23,120
and a mainstream listener really matters

2007
01:18:26,950 --> 01:18:25,120
because the more we're discerning about

2008
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:26,960
how we communicate this

2009
01:18:32,149 --> 01:18:29,120
to people who are unfamiliar with the

2010
01:18:34,310 --> 01:18:32,159
phenomenon or are skeptical about it

2011
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:34,320
has everything to do with how well we

2012
01:18:39,430 --> 01:18:36,560
are received as a credible witness or

2013
01:18:41,910 --> 01:18:39,440
not we have to be able to discern how

2014
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:41,920
our listener is receiving it or

2015
01:18:46,149 --> 01:18:43,679
resisting it and at the place where we

2016
01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:46,159
meet that tension of resistance i think

2017
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:48,480
that is is really fundamentally where

2018
01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:50,480
john's work left off at the time of his

2019
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:52,800
death it's where our world views you

2020
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:54,960
know collide and we reach the limits of

2021
01:18:58,870 --> 01:18:57,120
what we believe is possible and this is

2022
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:58,880
where normally you know the listener

2023
01:19:04,070 --> 01:19:00,960
might start to say that well you know

2024
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:04,080
it's sleep paralysis or it's some kind

2025
01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:05,760
kind of

2026
01:19:09,510 --> 01:19:07,920
defined psychopathology or something

2027
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:09,520
like that and really

2028
01:19:13,110 --> 01:19:11,679
i think where the experiencer community

2029
01:19:14,550 --> 01:19:13,120
is required to sort of pull back a

2030
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:14,560
little bit and get to the point where

2031
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:16,640
the blockage is so we can really slow

2032
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:18,080
down and talk about why we're

2033
01:19:24,229 --> 01:19:20,640
experiencing these resistances to the

2034
01:19:28,070 --> 01:19:26,149
right i mean and yeah and lou has spoken

2035
01:19:29,669 --> 01:19:28,080
about you know when he was on tucker

2036
01:19:31,189 --> 01:19:29,679
carlson i think it was last year or the

2037
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:31,199
year before he was asked if he believed

2038
01:19:35,110 --> 01:19:32,800
the ufo you know the united states

2039
01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:35,120
government had debris from a ufo and he

2040
01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:36,719
said yes and now

2041
01:19:40,950 --> 01:19:39,040
in the la the language coming before the

2042
01:19:42,630 --> 01:19:40,960
house and senate in the house portion of

2043
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:42,640
the bill where they're talking about

2044
01:19:48,229 --> 01:19:46,320
adding a permanent uap ufo office they

2045
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:48,239
mention in the language they want an

2046
01:19:53,110 --> 01:19:50,560
update on any efforts understanding on

2047
01:19:56,310 --> 01:19:53,120
the ability to capture or exploit

2048
01:19:58,149 --> 01:19:56,320
discovered uap and and right away i

2049
01:19:59,830 --> 01:19:58,159
thought okay that's that's crash

2050
01:20:01,510 --> 01:19:59,840
retrievals and people are like no you're

2051
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:01,520
reading into that but then lou was on

2052
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:03,600
fox news the other night and saying

2053
01:20:06,709 --> 01:20:05,280
it's crash retrievals

2054
01:20:09,590 --> 01:20:06,719
and they're talking about basically

2055
01:20:11,110 --> 01:20:09,600
making field trips to wherever these

2056
01:20:13,830 --> 01:20:11,120
you know wherever the materials or

2057
01:20:15,590 --> 01:20:13,840
objects are and the second part is in

2058
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:15,600
the house bill it says and this is not

2059
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:17,280
final language it may not make it into

2060
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:19,520
the final bill but it says an assessment

2061
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:21,520
of any health related effects of

2062
01:20:26,070 --> 01:20:23,520
individuals that have encountered

2063
01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:26,080
unidentified aerial phenomena and that's

2064
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:28,400
points to the work of dr kit green

2065
01:20:31,350 --> 01:20:30,080
and gary nolan and i'm sure others

2066
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:31,360
behind the scenes working with

2067
01:20:35,430 --> 01:20:33,600
experiences who have been injured

2068
01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:35,440
so right away if that makes it into that

2069
01:20:39,510 --> 01:20:37,120
the final language i would think people

2070
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:39,520
who are not normally interested in this

2071
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:40,800
subject and they see that they're going

2072
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:43,199
to immediately say

2073
01:20:47,189 --> 01:20:45,440
wait a second we may have craft and some

2074
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:47,199
of these people have been injured by

2075
01:20:50,709 --> 01:20:48,880
close encounters that means that people

2076
01:20:53,189 --> 01:20:50,719
who have been talking about

2077
01:20:55,270 --> 01:20:53,199
abductions or experiencers may be

2078
01:20:57,030 --> 01:20:55,280
telling the truth and

2079
01:20:58,310 --> 01:20:57,040
that's the next step it's a huge deal

2080
01:21:01,189 --> 01:20:58,320
and that's why we're always saying it's

2081
01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:01,199
pandora's box once you admit if if any

2082
01:21:04,629 --> 01:21:03,360
you know if the president and it doesn't

2083
01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:04,639
have to be the president but if the

2084
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:06,480
president ever said these things are

2085
01:21:09,189 --> 01:21:07,840
real we don't know where they're from

2086
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:09,199
the next step is

2087
01:21:14,229 --> 01:21:12,000
so people may be taken by these you know

2088
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:14,239
people who are saying grays and mantis

2089
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:16,320
beings they may be telling the truth and

2090
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:17,920
that leads us to the article by ralph

2091
01:21:21,030 --> 01:21:19,360
blumenthal which

2092
01:21:23,350 --> 01:21:21,040
jay can talk about which just came out

2093
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:23,360
this morning in the debrief

2094
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:24,880
a lot of people that have

2095
01:21:27,189 --> 01:21:26,080
not a lot of people because they're like

2096
01:21:29,669 --> 01:21:27,199
five people

2097
01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:29,679
but a lot anybody that's known me or

2098
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:31,440
even known me online within the past

2099
01:21:34,229 --> 01:21:33,199
couple months um i've kind of told

2100
01:21:36,790 --> 01:21:34,239
people

2101
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:36,800
um my first sighting at five and my

2102
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:38,800
grandma was a medium and a tarot reader

2103
01:21:41,270 --> 01:21:39,920
and she would do it late at night

2104
01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:41,280
because we were catholic and you're not

2105
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:42,480
supposed to be doing that

2106
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:44,880
um i had i snuck outside one night and i

2107
01:21:48,870 --> 01:21:46,480
saw this ufo

2108
01:21:50,709 --> 01:21:48,880
and uh i saw

2109
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:50,719
that kind of cascaded into a whole

2110
01:21:54,790 --> 01:21:53,040
series of experiences that i'm still

2111
01:21:55,590 --> 01:21:54,800
kind of like working the courage to talk

2112
01:21:57,510 --> 01:21:55,600
about

2113
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:57,520
in the meantime i've got all my weird

2114
01:22:01,669 --> 01:21:59,360
you know witchy interests anything

2115
01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:01,679
metaphysical anything like any type of

2116
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:02,800
religion

2117
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:04,560
i was there with encyclopedias like

2118
01:22:09,830 --> 01:22:06,880
looking up different religions and

2119
01:22:12,550 --> 01:22:09,840
gods and goddesses and ufos and

2120
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:12,560
extraterrestrials and finally um i think

2121
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:13,840
that vinnie

2122
01:22:17,910 --> 01:22:16,320
i thought i saw disclosure teams stuff

2123
01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:17,920
and then vinnie shared one of my ufo

2124
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:19,840
things i realized there was a community

2125
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:20,880
basically

2126
01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:22,560
like a couple months ago and i was like

2127
01:22:26,310 --> 01:22:24,000
wow like i'm not i was following

2128
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:26,320
everything happening but kind of keeping

2129
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:28,000
it to myself and just doing like the

2130
01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:29,120
witch thing

2131
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:31,040
and

2132
01:22:34,229 --> 01:22:32,880
yeah just doing the witch thing you know